Staying Online

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Bob Ubell, Author & Vice Dean Emeritus of Online Learning at New York University’s Tandon School of Engineering returns to the podcast to talk about lessons from his new book, Staying Online: How to Navigate Digital Higher Education, and the future of online education.
 

Experience virtual instructors withtime to prepare taught using a wide variety of methods, reflectors videosand peer to peer ance erection. The student centered approach with faculty,encouraging learners to participate actively is the key to great onlinelearning versus Mediocre Instruction, you're listening to enrolment growth,university from helic education, the best professional development podcastfor higher education leaders looking to grow in Roman at their college oruniversity, whether you're looking for fresh and Roman growth techniques andstrategies or tools and resources. You've come to the right place. Let'sget into the show, welcome back to an Roman GrowthUniversity, a proud member of the connect Edu podcast network, I'm EricColson with helic education and returning to the show is Bob Yu Bell.Vice Den Amer, Tis of online learning...

...at New York, universities, TandonSchool of Engineering and author of the New Book Staying Online, how toNavigate Digital Higher Education Bob Welcome back to the show it's great tobe back. I was so thrilled to be on your show last time and was so amusedby your wonderful animations. We were thrilled to have you and just sodelighted to have you back so excited a talk with you today about lessons fromyour new book about the future of online education and where you see itgoing inevitably, but before we dig into that, can you give the listeners alittle bit better understanding of both n you and your role there? Well, Ididn't want you. I was vic dean of online learning at the tanted schooland now I'm a meritiss. I've left the school a couple of years ago and havejoined Stevens in Certo technology of a senior advisor Awesome Bob during lastyears, emergency online learning stint. What did we learn are the majordifferences that set apart a truly...

...great online learning experience.That's a great question because I wrote in my book staying online without anyonline training, most faculty just went ahead and on whom lecturing on line, asthey always did on campus, but experienced virtual instructors withtime to prepare, taught using a wide variety of methods, reflectors videosand peer to peer inceration. The student centered approach with facultyand couraging learners to participate actively. Is the key to great onlinelearning versus Mediocre Instruction and Bob? Do you believe it is the rightstrategic move for all institutions to go all in on the online educationmoving forward? That's another great question. Yes, I believe it's prudentfor all colleges to plan for further disruptions, even if they don't expectto deliver or loring courses routinely...

...its best to prepare faculty to teachfor loathly. In the event of further crises, they should be taught how tostimulate students to prepare actively rather than having students just sitback passively watching the screen at home, like couch potatoes, with virtualtunes now deployed at nearly every school, it's wise to be prepared, but,as you break down in your book, institution May Have One singularumbrella brand, but two very different economies for their on campus and on mymodels. How should that influence tuition? Pricing decisions betweenthose modalities years ago, when I first did online programs? I believethat online and on campus degrees should post the same tuition if we'reboth so that they don't establish an upstairs downstairs class divisionbetween a cheaper and less valuable online degree below and a moreexpensive and more valuable on campus...

...one above right, but over time Ichanged my mind. I now believe that online was lessexpensive into structure and greater scale has the capacity to lower tuition,making higher and more affordable for everyone. Now I know Bob in your book.You talk about how that that feels like an inevitability and that'll happen atscale. But how do you think about that? In terms of for many institutions asthey're going online, it is not less expensive to build, run, manage andmaintain. How does that pricing iteratively switch as an institutioncan scale their online programs today, online degrees have alreadyshown that they are highly price alist, with many available in low thousands ofdollars, while others run in the upper thousands and greater some highlysullecte schools that have traditionally made access to their owncampus programs. Highly destructive are now opening greater access at lowertuitions online. A move they had never...

...imagined they would be involved in, but my love, how you give a lot of timein your book to talk about the promise and hope of Mook? Do you believe thatMokes will ever work at scale in not only teaching but but credential in ourstudents? Fascinating? But, yes, I do believe already thirty. First ClassUniversities in partnership with book providers like Corser all for seventyonline degrees, mostly at fifty percent discounts of their own campus degrees,a major breakthrough in lowering tuition by elite schools yeah. It'sreally really really interesting Bob and, as we think about all thosedifferent models that are coming to higher it and helping us thinkdifferently about access and equity. Let's talk about international and howtruly accessible our programs are...

...outside of this country. How global doyou believe the future online classroom does look and does need to look. It'sfascinating. The whole online experience internationally. Untilrecently, only a handful of international students were enrolled inonline programs in the US students from the broad studied almostentirely on campus right. But since the pandemic, the mood is changing with adeclaring and international students applying to enter American colleges oncampus in China, for example, with very few local schools offering any onlinedegrees mid career working professionals in China are now seekingmaster's degrees online from US colleges, a major shift that may be thestart of a global movement Bob it such good stuff. Any final next steps advicewe haven't covered yet for institutions...

...who are looking to build world classonline programming, it's hard for many schools to even imagine it because manyfaculty and senior officers don't have any experience for the online at alland many of fear the expense involved in building an online program. Manyschools hesitated to enter the delivery owing to their beliefs that launching aprogram is very expensive but that they don't have the required skills to makeit tappit. But colleges can build world class programs if they follow fiveessential steps engage faculty in making the decision to assure thesmooth transition from on campus to online carefully calculate potential inenrolment and revenue. Invest in online student services, paralleling Belsoncampus, deploy digital recruitment specialists and crucially,hire a team of experienced...

...instructional designers to bringfaculty up to speed as skilled active learning instructors, but thanks somuch of your time to day and for giving this knowledge to the world. What isthe best place for listeners to grab your new book staying online in orderto learn more, that's a good question cause it's very pertinent right now.The book is out on September seventh, so when thispodcast runs, you may have access to it immediately, just go to routledge and click on Bob. You Bell and you'll findit book Husson thanks again so much for joining us today. Bob. Thank you somuch for the interview. It's always a pleasure, you're, a great interviewerand look forward to the animation. It's fabulous attracting today's new post,traditional learners means adopting new enrolment strategies. Keleks educationsdata driven enterprise, wide approach...

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